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Another gsf (one step)

 
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ravel



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PostPosted: Mon May 26, 2008 8:05 am    Post subject: Another gsf (one step) Reply with quote

Code:
 +-------+-------+-------+
 | 9 2 . | . . . | . . . |
 | . . . | . . . | 3 4 . |
 | 3 . . | . 5 1 | . . . |
 +-------+-------+-------+
 | 7 . . | 6 . . | 2 . . |
 | . 5 . | 8 . 7 | . 6 . |
 | . . 6 | . . 2 | . . 4 |
 +-------+-------+-------+
 | . . . | 4 3 . | . . 5 |
 | . 9 7 | . . . | . . . |
 | . . . | . . . | . 2 8 |
 +-------+-------+-------+
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Johan



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PostPosted: Mon May 26, 2008 2:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The 48 UR* in R34C23 deletes <1> in R2C9, solving the puzzle, either R3C2=7 or/both R4C3=9 for avoiding the 48DP

R3C2=[7] => R2C2=[1](a)

or/both

R4C3=|9| => R4C9=|1|(b)

Code:
+-------------------------+-------------------------+-------------------------+
| 9        2       18     | 3         6        4    | 5         18       7    |
| 6     a [1]7     5      | 279       28       89   | 3         4      {-1}29 |
| 3       *4[7]8  *48     | 279       5        1    | 689       89       269  |
+-------------------------+-------------------------+-------------------------+
| 7       *48     *48|9|  | 6         14       3    | 2         5     b |1]9  |
| 24       5       249    | 8         14       7    | 19        6        3    |
| 1        3       6      | 5         9        2    | 78        78       4    |
+-------------------------+-------------------------+-------------------------+
| 28       16      12     | 4         3        689  | 1679      179      5    |
| 458      9       7      | 12        28       568  | 146       3        16   |
| 45       146     3      | 19        7        569  | 1469      2        8    |
+-------------------------+-------------------------+-------------------------+
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PostPosted: Mon May 26, 2008 4:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Its also one of those rare type 5 UR's with extra candidates in diagonal cells.
Because of the strong link for 4 in r3 and for 8 in c2 you can eliminate 4 and 8 from r4c3 (the cell with extra candidates which is not part of the strong link).
Because of the strong link for 8 in row 4 you also can eliminate 8 from r3c2, but its not needed to solve the puzzle.
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PostPosted: Mon May 26, 2008 5:51 pm    Post subject: Re: Another gsf (one step) Reply with quote

ravel wrote:
Code:
 +-------+-------+-------+
 | 9 2 . | . . . | . . . |
 | . . . | . . . | 3 4 . |
 | 3 . . | . 5 1 | . . . |
 +-------+-------+-------+
 | 7 . . | 6 . . | 2 . . |
 | . 5 . | 8 . 7 | . 6 . |
 | . . 6 | . . 2 | . . 4 |
 +-------+-------+-------+
 | . . . | 4 3 . | . . 5 |
 | . 9 7 | . . . | . . . |
 | . . . | . . . | . 2 8 |
 +-------+-------+-------+
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Ravel,

This was a fun puzzle. I initially missed the UR and found an x-wing and multi-coloring but they were not helpful when I spotted the killer. I have also enjoyed the other "gsf" puzzles that have posted. Are they available on the web?

Ted
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keith



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PostPosted: Mon May 26, 2008 10:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The "Type 5" Unique Rectangle is like this:
Code:
+--------------+
|  x   -    -  |
| 46   -   246 |
|  x   -    -  |
+--------------+
| 246  -   46  |
|  -   -    x  |
|  -   -    x  |
+--------------+

and you can eliminate <2> from the cells marked x. So far as I know, one that makes eliminations has never been observed in an actual puzzle.

If the UR also happens to be an X-wing, that is a "Type 6". So, if the rectangle above is also an X-wing on <4> you can make eliminations to reach the following:
Code:
+--------------+
|  -   -    -  |
|  4   -   26  |
|  -   -    -  |
+--------------+
| 26   -    4  |
|  -   -    -  |
|  -   -    -  |
+--------------+

The UR in this thread is somewhere between these two cases. It was in a post by Myth Jellies that I first saw logic similar to what Johan has used. (Note that Johan's logic does not use the strong links on the UR candidates.)

Ravel is the one who taught me to consider every angle to use a possible UR, and not to see the UR as simply a list of numbered types.

Keith
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ravel



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PostPosted: Tue May 27, 2008 7:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

tlanglet wrote:
I have also enjoyed the other "gsf" puzzles that have posted. Are they available on the web?
The gsf puzzles are from the Patterns game in the players forum. They try to find as much as possible puzzles of different difficulty to a given pattern. Its hard to say in advance, which of them are interesting (but its also nice sometimes, when you dont know it). Up to ratings 6.6 you can solve them with x/y/z-wings, UR, BUG and coloring, up to 7.3 with relatively short chains. This can be very hard or just a w-wing.
keith wrote:
The "Type 5" Unique Rectangle is like this:
As with many techniques there is some confusion about the UR definitions. I suppose that Keiths definition is the more common one (but not very useful without a real life example). I referred to this one by Havard.
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