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		| jamesmrice 
 
 
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				|  Posted: Wed Oct 24, 2012 12:29 am    Post subject: Oct 23 |   |  
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				| I'm having a hard time solving -- I thought I had the obvious moves but I seem to be stuck now. Any clues? Perhaps I've made an error along the way. Thanks. |  | 
	
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		| Marty R. 
 
 
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		| jamesmrice 
 
 
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				|  Posted: Wed Oct 24, 2012 12:11 pm    Post subject: |   |  
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				| This is the puzzle I was referring to but for some reason it is not the puzzle now listed for Oct 23, medium difficulty. 
 This difficulty was unknown when I printed it. When I just used the draw and play function the web site recognized the puzzle and knew the original markings. This is as far as I got:
 
 Thank you. I thought that was pretty neat how the Sweep, etc, worked!
 
 
  	  | Code: |  	  | +----------------+------------------+--------------+
 | 7    2    1389 | 3589   4    589  | 6   1589 159 |
 | 48   5    489  | 6      7    1    | 3   489  2   |
 | 1348 1489 6    | 2      389  589  | 489 7    159 |
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 | 6    148  7    | 134589 1389 4589 | 49  2    139 |
 | 9    14   5    | 134    6    2    | 7   134  8   |
 | 2    3    148  | 1489   189  7    | 5   149  6   |
 +----------------+------------------+--------------+
 | 458  6    489  | 489    2    3    | 1   589  7   |
 | 35   1489 2    | 7      189  489  | 89  6    35  |
 | 138  7    1389 | 189    5    6    | 2   389  4   |
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 Play this puzzle online at the Daily Sudoku site
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		| Marty R. 
 
 
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				|  Posted: Wed Oct 24, 2012 3:53 pm    Post subject: |   |  
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				| James, I have no idea what your experience in Sudoku is. I think I see a Swordfish on 9 in rows 279, but I can't see where it opens things up. Maybe someone else will come along with some suggestions. |  | 
	
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		| JC Van Hay 
 
 
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 Location: Charleroi, Belgium
 
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				|  Posted: Wed Oct 24, 2012 6:29 pm    Post subject: |   |  
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				| Solution using only single digit techniques ... 
 1. Empty Rectangle (1R8B4)  :=> -1r6c5  [Not required]
 2. Finned Swordfish(8C257)  :=> -8r4c46
 3. Finned Swordfish(8C267)  :=> -8r3c5
 4. Swordfish(9R2B79) :=> -9r1c3, -9r8c56, -9r16c9
 5. Pointing : 9r7c4=9r9c4 :=> -9r146c4
 
 => r6c5=9, r3c5=3=r1c3
 
 6. Swordfish(8C257)  :=> -8r3c16, -8r8c6
 
 => r1c6=8; cascade of singles to the end.
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		| harrybro 
 
 
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				|  Posted: Thu Oct 25, 2012 6:58 am    Post subject: |   |  
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				| I think I see a Swordfish on 9 in rows 279, but I can't see where it opens things up. |  | 
	
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		| JC Van Hay 
 
 
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				|  Posted: Thu Oct 25, 2012 8:24 am    Post subject: |   |  
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				|  	  | harrybro wrote: |  	  | I think I see a Swordfish on 9 in rows 279, but I can't see where it opens things up. | 
 Swordfish(9R279) :=> "-9r146c348" & Claiming : 9r7c4=9r9c4 :=> -r8c56 & r6c5=9
 After that : SF(8C257) :=> r1c6=8 or r8c6=4; stte
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		| Pat 
 
 
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				|  Posted: Thu Nov 08, 2012 4:01 pm    Post subject: |   |  
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puzzles solved with a Swordfish are not so rare;
 puzzles solved with 2 Swordfish — are rare
  	  | keith wrote: |  	  | Please post puzzles that "require" a swordfish. We'll see what other solution paths there are.
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		| arkietech 
 
 
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				|  Posted: Thu Nov 08, 2012 4:29 pm    Post subject: |   |  
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				| Or one wing   
 
  	  | Code: |  	  | *-----------------------------------------------------------------------------* | 7       2       1389    | 3589    4       589     | 6       1589    159     |
 | 48      5       489     | 6       7       1       | 3      d48-9    2       |
 | 1348    1489    6       | 2       389     589     |c489     7       159     |
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 | 6       148     7       | 134589  1389    4589    | 49      2       139     |
 | 9       14      5       | 134     6       2       | 7       134     8       |
 | 2       3       148     | 1489    189     7       | 5       149     6       |
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 | 458     6       489     | 489     2       3       | 1      a589     7       |
 | 35      1489    2       | 7       189     489     |b89      6       35      |
 | 138     7       1389    | 189     5       6       | 2       389     4       |
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 L-wing
 9r7c8=(9-8)r8c7=(8-4)r3c7=4r2c8 => -9r2c8; lclste
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