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		George Woods
 
 
  Joined: 28 Mar 2006 Posts: 304 Location: Dorset UK
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				 Posted: Mon May 07, 2007 10:43 pm    Post subject: May 7th v hard- yet another forcing function rather than.... | 
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				Once again I can't find the formal way of doing it, After 6 moves I am stuck - then see the Xwing in 3's - but it does not seem to help. Finally, just mucking around I look at box 9 that solves completely if r8c9 is 7 - but quickly gives a failure at r3c9 (trying to be both 6 and 3) so r9c8 is 7 ....
 
 
The only good thing is that draw/play appears to press on with much the same hint i.e. r8c3 is 7. 
 
 
So maybe I did solve it the "official" way but cannot see the form of a  recognised move! Can anyone help on this | 
			 
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		Mesmin
 
 
  Joined: 01 May 2007 Posts: 12 Location: Ontario
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				 Posted: Mon May 07, 2007 11:02 pm    Post subject:  | 
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				The x-wing opened a naked triple... After that it was basically just a straight forward grind to slowly piece together the rest of the puzzle.  Didn't need any "advanced" techniques.
 
 
The triple is in Column 9. | 
			 
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		George Woods
 
 
  Joined: 28 Mar 2006 Posts: 304 Location: Dorset UK
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				 Posted: Tue May 08, 2007 4:30 pm    Post subject: Thanks ! | 
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				I was too lazy to fill in the possibilities in col 9 - silly since this is one of the 2 columns where the X wing counts. and since my forcing function gave a conflict in col 9 I ought to have analysed that column. A good lesson on tactics for solving.
 
 
And of course the naked triplet in col 9 gives exactly the same continuation as my forcing function,
 
 
 i.e. a pair of 7,s ..........
 
 
Thanks very much! | 
			 
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		cgordon
 
 
  Joined: 04 May 2007 Posts: 769 Location: ontario, canada
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				 Posted: Tue May 08, 2007 6:29 pm    Post subject: May 7 VD | 
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				| I am a neophyte sudokuist but got as far as only having one 7 in box 9 at r9c8.  I failed to spot this (until reading post) - but from there it was plain sailing. But what is a "forcing function"?  Sounds like a fancy term for a guess - which I thought was unecessary with the puzzles on this site. | 
			 
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		farfel
 
 
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				 Posted: Mon Jun 04, 2007 5:02 pm    Post subject: May 7 | 
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				| OK, I give up.  I found the x wings with the 3s and the naked triple in col 9 but now I dont understand why r6c8 is a 4.    Can anyone explain?  thankyou | 
			 
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		farfel
 
 
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				 Posted: Mon Jun 04, 2007 7:50 pm    Post subject:  | 
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				Never mind     ...I knew after working on it for 2 days, that soon after I posted it I would find the solution.  A hidden pair (27) in row 1,  col 7 and 9 did the trick.   I must be losing my touch.    | 
			 
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