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keith



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PostPosted: Mon Jul 27, 2009 1:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here's another one:
Code:
Puzzle: M4455254sh(6)
+-------+-------+-------+
| . 4 . | . . . | . . 2 |
| 7 . . | . 8 . | 4 1 . |
| 6 3 . | 5 . . | 7 . . |
+-------+-------+-------+
| . . 3 | 4 . . | . 2 6 |
| . . . | 8 . . | 3 . . |
| . . 2 | . . . | 1 . . |
+-------+-------+-------+
| . . . | 9 . 1 | . . 3 |
| . . . | . 4 7 | . . . |
| . . . | . 6 . | . . 7 |
+-------+-------+-------+
After basics:
Code:
+----------------------+----------------------+----------------------+
| 58     4      58     | 1      7      9      | 6      3      2      |
| 7      2      9      | 6      8      3      | 4      1      5      |
| 6      3      1      | 5      2      4      | 7      89     89     |
+----------------------+----------------------+----------------------+
| 189    7      3      | 4      19     5      | 89     2      6      |
| 1459   1569   456    | 8      19     2      | 3      7      49     |
| 489    89     2      | 7      3      6      | 1      5      489    |
+----------------------+----------------------+----------------------+
| 248    68     7      | 9      5      1      | 28     468    3      |
| 23589  5689   568    | 23     4      7      | 2589   689    1      |
| 123459 159 45     | 23     6      8      | 259    49     7      |
+----------------------+----------------------+----------------------+
Note the <23> UR in C14. The subset is <14589>, eliminating <48> in R7C1.

Again, there is a Type 4 elimination that does the same thing.

I don't think it's a theorem, but I have convinced myself that the bigger the Type 3 subset, the likelier it is there is a Type 4 also present.

Best wishes,

Keith
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storm_norm



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PostPosted: Mon Jul 27, 2009 8:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

my two cents...

instead of looking for the 5 candidate locked set
you can make a really simple deduction when you think about the rules of a UR.

the candidates 2 and 3 cannot be locked into r89c1 and r89c4 no matter what.

now look at columns 1 and 4... ask yourself how many other occurences of candidates 2 and 3 there are in those columns?? because there has to be at least one in order to keep the 23 UR from being locked into its cells. which is a big no no.

the answer is one. one lonely 2 in r7c1.

it is important to realize that this lonely 2 is the only 2 in columns 1 and 4 that keeps the UR23 from being locked into r89c14. therefore that 2 can be safely placed in r7c7



then turn your attention to rows 8 and 9

ask yourself how many other occurences (besides the UR23) of candidates 2 and 3 there are in those rows.

we see two occurences of candidate 2. both in column 7, at least one of these 2's must exist in order to stop candidates 2 and 3 from being locked into columns 1 and 4 rows 8 and 9. both can't be false.

UR23[(2)r8c7 = (2)r9c7]; r7c7 <> 2

this allows us to remove the 2 from r7c7

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 27, 2009 12:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Norm,

I think that's the Type 4 I mentioned ...

Keith
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