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kuskey



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PostPosted: Sat Sep 11, 2010 5:00 am    Post subject: Sep 10 VH Reply with quote

I found a nice 3 stepper after some decent basics:
1. an x-wing on 1 in c69 eliminating 1s at r4c6, r9c6, r8c9 and r9c9 which revealed
2. a 137 xy-wing in a single box on 3 eliminating 3s at r6c6 and r4c6 which opened
3. a 347 xy-wing with a pivot at r9c6 eliminating 4 at r6c9 yielding the solution.
This flowed so nicely I wonder; is there a single stepper?
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Marty R.



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PostPosted: Sat Sep 11, 2010 3:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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This flowed so nicely I wonder; is there a single stepper?

Not that I could find.

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a 137 xy-wing in a single box on 3 eliminating 3s at r6c6 and r4c6

Most people don't refer to a pattern as an XY-Wing when it's confined to a single row, column or box. I'm assuming you're talking about box 8, which is as follows:

Code:

+-------+---------+-------+
| . . . | .  . .  | . . . |
| . . . | .  . .  | . . . |
| . . . | .  . .  | . . . |
+-------+---------+-------+
| . . . | .  . .  | . . . |
| . . . | .  . .  | . . . |
| . . . | .  . .  | . . . |
+-------+---------+-------+
| . . . | .  . 13 | . . . |
| . . . | 17 . .  | . . . |
| . . . | .  . 37 | . . . |
+-------+---------+-------+

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What we have here is known as box-line interactions or locked candidates. The 3 in box 8 must be in column 6, therefore, no other 3s can exist in column 6 outside of box 8. Locked candidates, along with doubles, triples, etc, are considered basics, therefore, your solution would be considered a two-stepper.
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peterj



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PostPosted: Sat Sep 11, 2010 5:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I found an ugly single-stepper while considering an almost-triple... but only because I was purposely looking for such a move! Not pretty..

Consider the almost-triple (369) in c7. Suppose r4c7 not=4 then the triple exists and forces r1c7=1 => r2c9 not=1 => r2c6=1 (only 1 left in r2). If it's 1 it can't be 9 and so r4c6 must be 9 (only 9 in c6). If it is 9 it can't be 4 so r4c7=4 (only 4 left in r4). Contradicts our initial assumption, so the assumption was wrong and r4c7=4.

Or..
Code:
(4)r4c7=(369)r345c7 - (369=1)r1c7 - (1)r2c9=(1-9)r2c6=(9-4)r4c6=(4)r4c7 contradiction ; r4c7=4


Stick with the x-wing and xy-wing...
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kuskey



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PostPosted: Mon Sep 13, 2010 5:19 am    Post subject: Sep 10 VH Reply with quote

Marty:

For too long I have been wondering about the 3 bivalue cells that meet the xy-wing requirements except the fact that they share a box. Your comments prodded me to search for a precise definition of the xy-wing. I found exactly that at angusj.com in a note stating that the 3 cells sharing a group (box 8 in this case) are simply a naked triple. The particular alignment of these 3 cells led to a pointing pair reduction of 3s in c6. As you noted, this is a basic tecnique. Thanks for the guidance Marty and the furthering of my Sudoku knowledge.
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