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ZeroAssoluto
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Location: Rimini, Italy
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 Posted: Tue Aug 22, 2017 10:21 pm Post subject: Aug 23 VH |
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Hi everyone,
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| 146 12 5 | 67 9 167 | 3 8 1246 |
| 146 8 7 | 5 3 2 | 16 146 9 |
| 169 129 3 | 4 168 168 | 7 5 126 |
+-----------+------------+--------------+
| 3 5 2 | 9 4 16 | 8 16 7 |
| 7 4 9 | 8 16 3 | 16 2 5 |
| 8 6 1 | 2 7 5 | 9 34 34 |
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| 5 17 6 | 3 2 9 | 4 17 8 |
| 2 79 4 | 1 68 678 | 5 3679 36 |
| 19 3 8 | 67 5 4 | 2 1679 16 |
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| Quote: | | Sashimi X-Wing with number 1 in r29c19 + r1c9 and -1 in r2c7 |
Ciao Gianni |
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Marty R.
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Location: Rochester, NY, USA
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| Posted: Wed Aug 23, 2017 5:11 am Post subject: Re: Aug 23 VH |
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| ZeroAssoluto wrote: | Hi everyone,
| Code: |
+-----------+------------+--------------+
| 146 12 5 | 67 9 167 | 3 8 1246 |
| 146 8 7 | 5 3 2 | 16 146 9 |
| 169 129 3 | 4 168 168 | 7 5 126 |
+-----------+------------+--------------+
| 3 5 2 | 9 4 16 | 8 16 7 |
| 7 4 9 | 8 16 3 | 16 2 5 |
| 8 6 1 | 2 7 5 | 9 34 34 |
+-----------+------------+--------------+
| 5 17 6 | 3 2 9 | 4 17 8 |
| 2 79 4 | 1 68 678 | 5 3679 36 |
| 19 3 8 | 67 5 4 | 2 1679 16 |
+-----------+------------+--------------+
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| Quote: | | Sashimi X-Wing with number 1 in r29c19 + r1c9 and -1 in r2c7 |
Ciao Gianni |
Gianni,
I'm very confused, which is nothing new. In r2 I see 1s in c178; in r9 I see 1s in c189. Am I misinterpreting what you wrote? |
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JC Van Hay
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Location: Charleroi, Belgium
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| Posted: Wed Aug 23, 2017 5:51 am Post subject: |
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Only 1r7c2 [1r3c9] belongs [doesn't belong] to all the solutions of the 1s; stte
Interpretation :
Grouped Kite {1R2, 1C9} -> -1r9c1; r7c2=1 and stte
[Skyscraper {1C57} -> -1r3c9] |
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ZeroAssoluto
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| Posted: Wed Aug 23, 2017 6:52 am Post subject: |
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Hi Marty,
I make confusion
In the situation of the scheme I used an XY-Wing 1,6,7 in r7c8, r9c49 and -7 in r9c8;
which brings me to this situation where I used the Sashimi X-Wing
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| 4 12 5 | 6 9 7 | 3 8 12 |
| 16 8 7 | 5 3 2 | 16 4 9 |
| 69 29 3 | 4 18 18 | 7 5 26 |
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| 3 5 2 | 9 4 16 | 8 16 7 |
| 7 4 9 | 8 16 3 | 16 2 5 |
| 8 6 1 | 2 7 5 | 9 3 4 |
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| 5 17 6 | 3 2 9 | 4 17 8 |
| 2 79 4 | 1 68 68 | 5 79 3 |
| 19 3 8 | 7 5 4 | 2 169 16 |
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excuse me
Ciao Gianni |
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Clement
Joined: 24 Apr 2006
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Location: Dar es Salaam Tanzania
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| Posted: Wed Aug 23, 2017 7:43 am Post subject: Aug 23 VH |
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| Code: |
+-----------+-----------+--------------+
| 146 12 5 | 67 9 167 | 3 8 1246 |
| 146 8 7 | 5 3 2 | 16 146 9 |
| 169 129 3 | 4 16 8 | 7 5 12 |
+-----------+-----------+--------------+
| 3 5 2 | 9 4 16 | 8 16 7 |
| 7 4 9 | 8 16 3 | 16 2 5 |
| 8 6 1 | 2 7 5 | 9 34 34 |
+-----------+-----------+--------------+
| 5 17 6 | 3 2 9 | 4 17 8 |
| 2 79 4 | 1 8 67 | 5 3679 36 |
| 19 3 8 | 67 5 4 | 2 169-7 16 |
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XY-Wing 16-7 pivoted in r9c9 solves it, 7 is strongly linked in r9 |
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JC Van Hay
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| Posted: Wed Aug 23, 2017 8:30 am Post subject: |
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r3c8=r8c5=8  |
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hughwill
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Location: Birmingham UK
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| Posted: Wed Aug 23, 2017 9:09 am Post subject: Re: Aug 23 VH |
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| Clement wrote: | | Code: |
+-----------+-----------+--------------+
| 146 12 5 | 67 9 167 | 3 8 1246 |
| 146 8 7 | 5 3 2 | 16 146 9 |
| 169 129 3 | 4 16 8 | 7 5 12 |
+-----------+-----------+--------------+
| 3 5 2 | 9 4 16 | 8 16 7 |
| 7 4 9 | 8 16 3 | 16 2 5 |
| 8 6 1 | 2 7 5 | 9 34 34 |
+-----------+-----------+--------------+
| 5 17 6 | 3 2 9 | 4 17 8 |
| 2 79 4 | 1 8 67 | 5 3679 36 |
| 19 3 8 | 67 5 4 | 2 169-7 16 |
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XY-Wing 16-7 pivoted in r9c9 solves it, 7 is strongly linked in r9 |
I'm confused as to how r3c9 doesn't have a possible 6 in this diagram. My
basics done diagram was the same as Gianni's first. I needed a second
19-6 XY wing pivot 9c1 to set the puzzle (-6r3c9) (as in Gianni's 2nd
diagram).
Hugh |
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Ajò Dimonios
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Location: Sassari Italy
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| Posted: Wed Aug 23, 2017 10:56 am Post subject: |
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Hi everyone
[(1)R7C8-(1)R2C8; (1)R7C8-(1)R4C8=(1)R5C7-(1)R2C6 and (1)R7C8-(1)R7C2=(1)R9C1-(1)R2C2]=>contradiction no candidate 1 in line 2=>-1R7C8=>solution stte.
or -7R7C2 ; R7C2=7 is biunivoca with R7C8=1
or -1R9C1; R9C1=1 is biunivoca with R7C8=1
or -9R9C8; R9C8=9 is biunivoca con R7C8=1
Ciao a Tutti
Paolo |
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the_lock_man
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Location: Portsmarfff, UK
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| Posted: Wed Aug 23, 2017 11:40 am Post subject: Re: Aug 23 VH |
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| Clement wrote: | | Code: |
+-----------+-----------+--------------+
| 146 12 5 | 67 9 167 | 3 8 1246 |
| 146 8 7 | 5 3 2 | 16 146 9 |
| 169 129 3 | 4 16 8 | 7 5 12 |
+-----------+-----------+--------------+
| 3 5 2 | 9 4 16 | 8 16 7 |
| 7 4 9 | 8 16 3 | 16 2 5 |
| 8 6 1 | 2 7 5 | 9 34 34 |
+-----------+-----------+--------------+
| 5 17 6 | 3 2 9 | 4 17 8 |
| 2 79 4 | 1 8 67 | 5 3679 36 |
| 19 3 8 | 67 5 4 | 2 169-7 16 |
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XY-Wing 16-7 pivoted in r9c9 solves it, 7 is strongly linked in r9 |
I got that, then a few basic moves, but then needed a W-Wing on 16, boxes 1 & 9 (the basics had removed the 4 from R2C1) to make R9C1<>1.
Not sure what I missed to make it a 1-stepper.
Now, off to do a squiggly! |
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Marty R.
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| Posted: Wed Aug 23, 2017 12:34 pm Post subject: |
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| Quote: | I needed a second
19-6 XY wing pivot 9c1 to set the puzzle (-6r3c9) (as in Gianni's 2nd
diagram). |
Me too. |
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Ajò Dimonios
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| Posted: Wed Aug 23, 2017 1:33 pm Post subject: |
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Hi everyone
| Code: |
+-----------+------------+--------------+
| 146 12 5 | 67 9 167 | 3 8 1246 |
| 146 8 7 | 5 3 2 | 16 146 9 |
| 169 129 3 | 4 168 168 | 7 5 126 |
+-----------+------------+--------------+
| 3 5 2 | 9 4 16 | 8 16 7 |
| 7 4 9 | 8 16 3 | 16 2 5 |
| 8 6 1 | 2 7 5 | 9 34 34 |
+-----------+------------+--------------+
| 5 17 6 | 3 2 9 | 4 17 8 |
| 2 79 4 | 1 68 678 | 5 3679 36 |
| 19 3 8 | 67 5 4 | 2 1679 16 |
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Another solution with one step after basics.
[(1)R2C7-(1)(R2C8,R3C9,R1C9) and (1)R2C7-(1)R5C7=(1)R4C8-(1)R79C8=(1)R9C9-(1=9)R9C1-(9)R3C1=(9-2)R3C2=(2)R3C9-(2)R1C9=NP(46)(R1C9,R2C8)-(6)R3C9]=>contradiction R3C9=Ø=>-(1)R2C7=>stte.
Ciao a Tutti
Paolo |
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Earl
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| Posted: Wed Aug 23, 2017 1:45 pm Post subject: Aug 23 VH |
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I needed two steps:
167 xywing @r9c9, -7r9c8
skyscraper of 1 (r1,7), -1r9c9
Early Earl |
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dongrave
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| Posted: Wed Aug 23, 2017 10:02 pm Post subject: |
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I had to use 2 'standard' moves. My first move (which Clement said solves it!) was the 16-7 XY Wing with pivot at r9c9 and then a 19-6 XY Wing with pivot at r9c1 which solved it! I have to go back and see if the first XY Wing solves it like Clement said. (what did i miss? ugh.)
Update: I see that Hugh and I had the same solution. I think it requires the XY Wing if you only use standard moves. |
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Ajò Dimonios
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| Posted: Thu Aug 24, 2017 9:26 am Post subject: |
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Hi everyone
In the R9C8 cell, only -9R9C8 produces a one-step solution. As I said in a previous post, 9 in R9C8 is biunivoca with 1 in R7C8 (another solution in one step). Virtually when 9 in R9C8 is true even 1 in R7C8 is true and when 1 in R7C8 is true even 9 in R9C8 is true. The consequence of this is that if you prove that 1 in R7C8 is fake (as I wrote in my previous post) even 9 in R9C8 is false.
Ciao a Tutti
Paolo |
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Clement
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| Posted: Thu Aug 24, 2017 3:42 pm Post subject: |
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| dongrave wrote: | I had to use 2 'standard' moves. My first move (which Clement said solves it!) was the 16-7 XY Wing with pivot at r9c9 and then a 19-6 XY Wing with pivot at r9c1 which solved it! I have to go back and see if the first XY Wing solves it like Clement said. (what did i miss? ugh.)
Update: I see that Hugh and I had the same solution. I think it requires the XY Wing if you only use standard moves. |
You didn't miss anything, I accidentally omitted the 6 in r3c9 which led me to a single stepper solution, it needed one more step as you have done and all others. I apologize for the inconvenience it may have caused. |
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the_lock_man
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| Posted: Fri Aug 25, 2017 11:20 am Post subject: |
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| Clement wrote: | | dongrave wrote: | I had to use 2 'standard' moves. My first move (which Clement said solves it!) was the 16-7 XY Wing with pivot at r9c9 and then a 19-6 XY Wing with pivot at r9c1 which solved it! I have to go back and see if the first XY Wing solves it like Clement said. (what did i miss? ugh.)
Update: I see that Hugh and I had the same solution. I think it requires the XY Wing if you only use standard moves. |
You didn't miss anything, I accidentally omitted the 6 in r3c9 which led me to a single stepper solution, it needed one more step as you have done and all others. I apologize for the inconvenience it may have caused. |
We'll forgive you. |
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