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		Earl
 
 
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				 Posted: Wed Sep 26, 2007 1:40 pm    Post subject: Sept 25 VH | 
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				Two X-wings did it for me.
 
 
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		Johan
 
 
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				 Posted: Wed Sep 26, 2007 2:05 pm    Post subject:  | 
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				| Also needed two X-wings, probably the same as Earl. | 
			 
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		eddieg
 
 
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				 Posted: Wed Sep 26, 2007 3:12 pm    Post subject: Sept 26th here | 
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				| Little snark in the morning on left side of United States. | 
			 
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		sdq_pete
 
 
  Joined: 30 Apr 2007 Posts: 119 Location: Rotterdam, NL
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				 Posted: Wed Sep 26, 2007 4:37 pm    Post subject: VH Sept 26 | 
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				Stuck again. I'm here:
 
 
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+--------------+----------------+------------+
 
| 23679 8   23 | 3679 13679 137 | 4  569 56  |
 
| 5679  567 69 | 679  8     4   | 3  2   1   |
 
| 1369  136 4  | 5    369   2   | 7  69  8   |
 
+--------------+----------------+------------+
 
| 39    2   5  | 8    39    6   | 1  4   7   |
 
| 8     4   69 | 279  179   157 | 26 56  3   |
 
| 367   367 1  | 4    23    35  | 9  8   256 |
 
+--------------+----------------+------------+
 
| 4     36  8  | 1    236   9   | 5  7   26  |
 
| 236   9   23 | 367  5     37  | 8  1   4   |
 
| 15    15  7  | 26   4     8   | 26 3   9   |
 
+--------------+----------------+------------+
 
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Play this puzzle online at the Daily Sudoku site
 
 
What next?
 
 
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		cgordon
 
 
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				 Posted: Wed Sep 26, 2007 5:51 pm    Post subject:  | 
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				 	  | Quote: | 	 		  | Two X-wings did it for me. | 	  
 
 
Actually, I just needed the one - for 3s in C34. | 
			 
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		sdq_pete
 
 
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				 Posted: Wed Sep 26, 2007 6:38 pm    Post subject:  | 
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				Agggh!! Why didn't I see that?? Don't answer.
 
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		shoeless
 
 
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				 Posted: Wed Sep 26, 2007 8:19 pm    Post subject:  | 
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				I can't even get that far...how did you get rid of the 4's & 7's in the 4th row?  I'm stuck here:
 
 
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+----------------+---------------+-------------+
 
| 125679 8    23 | 3679 1679 137 | 4  1569 156 |
 
| 15679  1567 69 | 679  8    4   | 3  2    156 |
 
| 1369   136  4  | 5    1369 2   | 7  169  8   |
 
+----------------+---------------+-------------+
 
| 39     2    5  | 8    39   6   | 1  47   47  |
 
| 8      4    69 | 279  179  157 | 26 56   3   |
 
| 367    367  1  | 4    23   35  | 9  8    256 |
 
+----------------+---------------+-------------+
 
| 4      36   8  | 1    236  9   | 5  67   267 |
 
| 26     9    23 | 367  5    37  | 8  14   14  |
 
| 15     15   7  | 26   4    8   | 26 3    9   |
 
+----------------+---------------+-------------+
 
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Play this puzzle online at the Daily Sudoku site
 
 
Can someone enlighten me on the C34 notation?  What does that mean...columns 3 & 4? | 
			 
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		Florida Bob
 
 
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				 Posted: Wed Sep 26, 2007 8:56 pm    Post subject:  | 
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				| I was also stopped at the same spot. Also, how were the 1's eliminated in row 2? | 
			 
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		TKiel
 
 
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				 Posted: Wed Sep 26, 2007 9:06 pm    Post subject:  | 
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				 	  | Quote: | 	 		  | What does that mean...columns 3 & 4? | 	  
 
 
  Yes.
 
 
 	  | Quote: | 	 		  | ...how did you get rid of the 4's & 7's in the 4th row? | 	  
 
 
  Without knowing sdq_pete's candidate grid it's hard to know how he solved those two cells but it's not necessary to have them solved to use the X-wing that others referred too.
 
 
 	  | Quote: | 	 		  | ...how were the 1's eliminated in row 2? | 	  
 
 
  Same as above. | 
			 
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		Marty R.
 
 
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				 Posted: Wed Sep 26, 2007 9:27 pm    Post subject:  | 
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				Shoeless,
 
 
If you play the X-Wing on 3 in columns 3 and 4 and make a chain of eliminations, you arrive here:
 
 
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| 125679 8    23 | 3679 1679 1   | 4  1569 16  |
 
| 15679  1567 69 | 679  8    4   | 3  2    16  |
 
| 1369   136  4  | 5    1369 2   | 7  169  8   |
 
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| 3      2    5  | 8    9    6   | 1  47   47  |
 
| 8      4    69 | 279  179  5   | 2  6    3   |
 
| 367    367  1  | 4    2    3   | 9  8    5   |
 
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| 4      36   8  | 1    236  9   | 5  67   267 |
 
| 26     9    23 | 36   5    7   | 8  14   14  |
 
| 15     15   7  | 26   4    8   | 26 3    9   |
 
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Using the 1 in r1c6 or the 16 pair in column 9, the 47 pair in row 4 is quickly solved. | 
			 
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		sdq_pete
 
 
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				 Posted: Thu Sep 27, 2007 10:58 am    Post subject:  | 
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				 	  | shoeless wrote: | 	 		  | I can't even get that far... | 	  
 
 
Just by way of a reply, I went through it again but couldn't now see how I reached that position! Clearly, the strong move is the column X-wing on 3's. This X-wing shouldn't be hard to spot if one searches systematically, but then that goes for any X-construction. In this case I suspect I (subconsciously) discounted the possibility of an X-wing on 3's simply because there so many candidate 3's in the puzzle - clearly a pitfall to avoid in future!
 
 
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		shoeless
 
 
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				 Posted: Thu Sep 27, 2007 1:03 pm    Post subject:  | 
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				| Thanks guys...I just wasn't seeing it.  Once you get rid of the 3's in C6 it solves pretty easily. | 
			 
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		duffy
 
 
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				 Posted: Thu Sep 27, 2007 5:07 pm    Post subject:  | 
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				"Sept 25 VH" should of course read "Sept 26 VH". I guess it is difficult to edit a title for a New Topic posting once it is in place.
 
   
 
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