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		| daj95376 
 
 
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				|  Posted: Thu Aug 19, 2010 7:24 am    Post subject: Puzzle 10/08/19: C |   |  
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				|  	  | Code: |  	  | +-----------------------+ | . . 1 | 4 5 . | 6 . . |
 | . 4 . | . 8 3 | . 1 . |
 | 2 . . | . . . | . 3 . |
 |-------+-------+-------|
 | 4 . . | . . . | 1 5 . |
 | 8 1 . | . 9 . | 4 6 . |
 | . 3 . | . . 4 | . . . |
 |-------+-------+-------|
 | 1 . . | 5 4 . | 3 . 6 |
 | . 9 3 | 1 2 . | . . . |
 | . . . | . . . | 8 . . |
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		| JC Van Hay 
 
 
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				|  Posted: Thu Aug 19, 2010 12:11 pm    Post subject: |   |  
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				|  	  | Quote: |  	  | Type 1 UR(57)R28C79 : r2c7<>57 X Wing : (6)R26/C34 : r3c34<>6, r9c4<>6
 4-SIS AIC : 9R1 (97)R3C4 7C5 (79)R4C3 : r4c9<>9
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		| peterj 
 
 
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				|  Posted: Thu Aug 19, 2010 1:17 pm    Post subject: |   |  
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				| The pattern of 2s looked so turboty I got carried away... for a one-step 
  	  | Quote: |  	  | almost/kraken skyscraper(2) in r1 and r5 with fin (2)r5c3 which forces 2 in r1c6, r4c6<>2 
 skyscraper(2)[(2)r1c6=r1c9 - r5c9=r5c4] = (2-7)r5c3=r5c4 - (7=3)r4c5 - (3=6)r9c5 - (6=9)r9c6 - (9=2)r1c6 ; r2c4<>2, r4c6<>2
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 [Edit. Correct skyscraper sub-AIC.]
 
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		| daj95376 
 
 
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				|  Posted: Thu Aug 19, 2010 4:25 pm    Post subject: |   |  
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				| [Withdrawn after Peter corrected his notation.] 
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		| peterj 
 
 
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				|  Posted: Thu Aug 19, 2010 4:54 pm    Post subject: |   |  
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				|  	  | Code: |  	  | +--------------------------------------------------------------+ |  3     7     1     |  4     5     29A*  |  6     8     29a   |
 |  59    4     569   |  679-2 8    3      |  2579  1     57    |
 |  2     68    5689  |  679   67    1     |  579   3     4     |
 |--------------------+--------------------+--------------------|
 |  4     26    79    |  378   37*   6-2   |  1     5     389   |
 |  8     1     27F   |  237B* 9     5     |  4     6     23b   |
 |  59    3     2569  |  268   1     4     |  29    7     289   |
 |--------------------+--------------------+--------------------|
 |  1     28    28    |  5     4     7     |  3     9     6     |
 |  6     9     3     |  1     2     8     |  57    4     57    |
 |  7     5     4     |  369   36*   69*   |  8     2     1     |
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 Sorry,  I wrote the skyscraper the wrong way around... it should be
 
 (2)r1c6=r1c9 - r5c9=r5c4 with fin r5c3
 
 I marked it with Aa and Bb with AB the pincers and F the fin.
 
 The chain works like this (marked with *)
 
 If r5c3 is 2 then it is not 7 so r5c4 is 7 (conjugate in r5)
 - so r4c5 is 3 (bivalue)
 - so r9c5 is 6 (bivalue)
 - so r9c6 is 9 (bivalue)
 - so r1c6 is 2 (bivalue)
 - so neither r2c4 or r4c6 can be 2
 
 Either the skyscraper exists or the chain forces 2 in r1c6?
 
 I am not assuming anything about r1c9? Tell me if I am still smoking stuff..
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		| daj95376 
 
 
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				|  Posted: Thu Aug 19, 2010 5:56 pm    Post subject: |   |  
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				|  	  | peterj wrote: |  	  | Tell me if I am still smoking stuff.. | 
 Peter: Thanks for the revised solution. It works better for me.
 
 I see your solution as:
 
 
  	  | Code: |  	  | Skyscraper r15c9  =>  r2c4,r4c6<>2   -or- 
 (2-7)r5c3 = r5c4 - (7=3)r4c5 - (3=6)r9c5 - (6=9)r9c6 - (9=2)r1c6 - { r2c4,r4c6 }
 
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		| peterj 
 
 
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				|  Posted: Fri Aug 20, 2010 7:53 am    Post subject: |   |  
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				|  	  | daj95376 wrote: |  	  |  	  | Code: |  	  | Skyscraper r15c9  =>  r2c4,r4c6<>2   -or- 
 (2-7)r5c3 = r5c4 - (7=3)r4c5 - (3=6)r9c5 - (6=9)r9c6 - (9=2)r1c6 - { r2c4,r4c6 }
 
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 Danny, thanks.
 
 I always used to use that explicit "pattern or fin chain" notation, but a couple of experienced people suggested to combine them in a single AIC with a strong link between the two and the AIC for the "pattern" in brackets. It's terse but clearly not very explicit!
 
 I suppose it is valid to think of a strong link between the two - if either is false the other is true. They are also weakly linked too.
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		| tlanglet 
 
 
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				|  Posted: Fri Aug 20, 2010 1:01 pm    Post subject: |   |  
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				| Two steps............ 
 
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		| daj95376 
 
 
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				|  Posted: Fri Aug 20, 2010 4:49 pm    Post subject: |   |  
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				|  	  | peterj wrote: |  	  | I always used to use that explicit "pattern or fin chain" notation, but a couple of experienced people suggested to combine them in a single AIC with a strong link between the two and the AIC for the "pattern" in brackets. It's terse but clearly not very explicit! 
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 Let me know who they are and I'll put a contract out on them!!! _
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