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		| Pat 
 
 
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				|  Posted: Tue Jan 08, 2013 11:44 am    Post subject: "too hard" — champagne # 196 # 124 |   |  
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.....1..2....3.45...3....61....7.....2.8.69..6...1..28.9..8.5...51..4...4.6..7...
 
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 . . 3 | . . . | . 6 1
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 . 2 . | 8 . 6 | 9 . .
 6 . . | . 1 . | . 2 8
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 . 9 . | . 8 . | 5 . .
 . 5 1 | . . 4 | . . .
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		| arkietech 
 
 
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				|  Posted: Tue Jan 08, 2013 12:31 pm    Post subject: |   |  
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				| Not "To Hard" can be solved with a quad.  |  | 
	
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		| keith 
 
 
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				|  Posted: Tue Jan 08, 2013 5:15 pm    Post subject: |   |  
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				| Nice puzzle. 
 Keith
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		| Marty R. 
 
 
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				|  Posted: Tue Jan 08, 2013 5:58 pm    Post subject: |   |  
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				| Don't remember the specifics about the quad, but it was basics only. |  | 
	
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		| Pat 
 
 
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				|  Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2013 8:06 am    Post subject: |   |  
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				|  	  | arkietech wrote: |  	  | can be solved with a quad | 
 yes, one quad
 — plus how many trios ?
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		| arkietech 
 
 
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				|  Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2013 1:21 pm    Post subject: |   |  
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				|  	  | Pat wrote: |  	  |  	  | arkietech wrote: |  	  | can be solved with a quad | 
 yes, one quad
 — plus how many trios ?
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 As I recall there were a lot of them and at the very start of the puzzle.
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		| Pat 
 
 
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				|  Posted: Sun Jan 20, 2013 10:18 am    Post subject: |   |  
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this puzzle seems to need 4 heavy moves
 
 ( heavy — in the context of "basic" moves — means: trio-or-larger )
 
 
 is this a new record
or have we seen such before?
 
 ( compare with JPF # 51 # 80 which needs 2 trios )
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		| keith 
 
 
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				|  Posted: Sun Jan 20, 2013 8:32 pm    Post subject: |   |  
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				|  	  | Pat wrote: |  	  | 
this puzzle seems to need 4 heavy moves
 
 ( heavy — in the context of "basic" moves — means: trio-or-larger )
 
 
 is this a new record
or have we seen such before?
 
 ( compare with JPF # 51 # 80 which needs 2 trios )
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 Pat,
 
 Yes:  It "needs"
 R7 Triple
 C7 Triple
 B9 Quad
 C9 Triple
 
 At the last move there is also an R9  Triple that does not help.
 
 Keith
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